Wikibooks:Requests for deletion

Icon usage

• {{subst:icon|info}} - important facts
• {{subst:icon|keep}} - keep work
• {{subst:icon|merge}} - merge work
• {{subst:icon|transwiki}} - copy to another wiki
• {{subst:icon|delete}} - delete work
• {{subst:icon|redirect}} - delete and redirect
• {{subst:icon|comment}} - neutral opinion

Undeletion

Add a new entry

Pages and books can be deleted by administrators. These decisions are generally backed by consensus from a discussion on this page under the deletion section. No process is perfect, and as such, pages or books can be nominated for undeletion in this section. The following is the procedure:

1. Locate the page entry in the deletion log or the archived discussion. Some deleted pages have been speedily deleted without discussion.
2. Review the Wikibooks:Deletion policy and Wikibooks:Media. If you can build a fair case on something which wasn't considered before, you can raise the issue here.
3. Please add new nominations at the bottom of the section. Include a link to the archived discussion (or deletion log if there was none) and your rationale for why the page should be undeleted. If the community agrees, the page will be restored.

If you wish to view a deleted module or media file, list it here and explain why. An administrator will provide the deleted module to you in some form - either by quoting it in full, emailing it to you, or temporarily undeleting it. If you feel that an administrator is routinely deleting modules prematurely, or otherwise abusing their tools, please discuss the matter on the user's talk page, or at Administrative Assistance.

Transwiki:Effects of different voting systems under similar circumstances

This page had several years of editing on English Wikipedia, then was moved over to Wikibooks. I'm an admin on enwiki, so I've undeleted the parent article on enwiki and put it the Draft namespace over to decide what do with the prose (see w:Draft:Effects of different voting systems under similar circumstances). I think it would be possible to create a coherent book about voting systems using this example to tie together the explanations of various voting systems. Since I'm not an admin on English Wikibooks, I can't see what work was done after the move was performed, so I'd like to see what (if anything) other folks were able to do with the material after the move. -- RobLa (discuss • contribs) 21:47, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

Hi @RobLa! It looks like it was deleted in 2012 because it was never worked on after the initial import. Cheers —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 02:51, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for the update, @Kittycataclysm! Could you undelete it? I'd like to work on it. I didn't have time to work on it when it was moved, but I have time now. -- RobLa (discuss • contribs) 06:22, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

@RobLa: I've userfied it for you. JJP_Master (she/they) 06:28, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

[[File:Nuvola French flag.svg]] 2600:1700:D480:A020:B046:89CA:1E3E:FF9D (discuss) 18:35, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

City Of Heroes

The following discussion has concluded. Please open a new discussion for any further comments.

Mass undeletion of books that were deleted when strategy guides were not allowed.

The following discussion has concluded. Please open a new discussion for any further comments.

Redirects created by myself

I am proposing to undelete Cookbook:Dark chocolate chips, Cookbook:Peanut butter and Cookbook:Food coloring because in my opinion I believe it is necessary due to the pipe trick. For example, I entered [[Cookbook:Food coloring|]], which gives you Food coloring, which is currently a red link, so I created this redirect to Cookbook:Food Coloring. What are your thoughts? Xeverything11 (discuss • contribs) 08:37, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

This is a good question! When I started out in the cookbook several years ago, I also created redirects like this. However, I was told at the time that Wikibooks does not use redirects in this way. I am open to further discussion about this, especially with the Cookbook, since it does not function like the other books on the project. Cheers —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 19:44, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

Wikibooks doesn't allow redirects in mainspace. However, as in Cookbook:Grunt Work, redirects are allowed in Cookbook namespace. Xeverything11 (discuss • contribs) 16:07, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

That's an interesting point. In terms of my personal opinion, I am currently neutral about redirects like this. I do think having these redirects can be helpful in some cases, especially given the wide range of terminologies used in cooking and the collaborative nature of the cookbook. However, excessive and unnecessary redirects (e.g. with all potential capitalization options) can create clutter. And, if I recall correctly, it's generally best practice to never link directly to redirect pages, instead linking to the correct end-page and subsection as appropriate. Cheers —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 17:46, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

@Leaderboard, @SHB2000, @WhatamIdoing: pinging users since these users didn't participate this undeletion request in almost 2 weeks. Xeverything11 (discuss • contribs) 13:55, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

@Xeverything11 I don't get the relevance of the pipe trick with this. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 15:39, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

I don't either. --SHB2000 (discuss • contribs) 20:36, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure why it would be a problem to link directly to a redirect page. The wikitext doesn't care; the parser doesn't care. I'm not sure why anyone would create a rule against it. WhatamIdoing (discuss • contribs) 06:55, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

IMO I will have to concur with WhatamIdoing that it's a terrible rule, especially all the more that WP:CHEAP and makes these books more accessible (broken redirects can always be dealt with later); that still said I will say no to restoring these redirects until we get the policy changed. --SHB2000 (discuss • contribs) 10:12, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

@MarcGarver I believe you were the one who originally told me about the avoidance of redirects at this project. Do you know what the original reasoning was? —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 23:51, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

It's all down to books v articles. A book is supposed to be self-contained. So, a redirect from an alternative BOOK title to the actual book is okay - e.g., from "Fizzicks" to "Physics". But redirects that go to one page in a book are discouraged as it is creating a structure more like individual articles and creates pages that shouldn't exist. E.g., we don't have a standalone page called "Heat exchange", it's a subpage of Physics, Physics/Heat Exchange". Following the same philosophy you wouldn't have a redirect from "heat exchange" because things that aren't subpages should be books, and there is no book about heat exchange. Similarly, cross namespace redirects were discouraged (e.g., from mainspace to the cookbook space) as the cookbook is supposed to be one, very large, self contained book. Anyway, if I recall correctly, that was the theory. MarcGarver (discuss • contribs) 14:15, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

It sounds like they don't want Heat exchange to redirect to Physics/Heat exchange, because someone might later want to write a whole book about Heat Exchange.

That rationale has nothing to do with redirects for alternate (i.e., wrong) capitalization, which I believe is the question here. WhatamIdoing (discuss • contribs) 06:09, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the information! I think my personal opinions regarding linking are as follows:

• I agree with keeping books separate from each other and therefore agree that simple inter-book linking and inter-project linking should not be done within actual content pages. For example, if a book on philosophy used the word "physics" somewhere in the text, that word should not be wikilinked to Physics. Exceptions could be deliberate connections/references to another book (e.g. "see-also" or "further reading" chapters separate from the main content).
• The cookbook has, for over a decade, been operating slightly differently from the other books in the project. It is its own subproject, which is reflected in the namespace and the way it uses categories. It is also a massive work that is continuously expanding through small additions by various contributors, and its pages are deeply interconnected with each other. Additionally, words for many of the concepts discussed in the cookbook have different names and are different in various cultures—redirects prevent incorrect linking and the creation of pages that already exist. For these reasons, I think it's okay to create redirects for its frequently-used subpages (e.g. ingredient/equipment/technique pages) that are often linked to in recipes.

Cheers! —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 18:12, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

I agree. WhatamIdoing (discuss • contribs) 20:45, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

+2. --SHB2000 (discuss • contribs) 06:10, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Since there seems to be consensus here, I've codified this at Cookbook:Policy#Redirects —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 00:24, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Atlas Shrugged/Places

This page was transwikied from the English Wikipedia after an AfD, but unilaterally deleted by Hagindaz on the grounds that it was an "out-of-date copy of [a] Wikipedia article." This is not a valid speedy deletion criterion, and there was no RfD. Additionally, the nonexistence of this page poses an obstacle in the process of removing all of the Wikipedia links in Atlas Shrugged. JJP_Master (she/they) 04:46, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Deletion

Add a new entry

Pages that qualify for speedy deletion do not require discussion. This section is for discussing whether something belongs on Wikibooks or not for all other cases. Please give a reason and be prepared to defend it. Consensus is measured based on the strength of arguments not on numbers. Anyone can participate and everyone is encouraged to do so.

Please add a new request for deletion at the bottom of this section with a link to the page or book in the heading and a justification. Also place the {{rfd}} template at the top of the page you want deleted. If you are nominating an entire book, {{rfd}} goes on the top-level page, but not subpages. Nominations should cite relevant policy wherever possible.

Please format the heading as == [[PAGE]] == in order to let the bot archive it. If there is a subject box, type [[PAGE]] into the subject box.

Files from Illustrated Guide to the world of Spira (FFX and FFX-2)

The following discussion has concluded. Please open a new discussion for any further comments.

Various pages in Basics of fine-art photography

The following discussion has concluded. Please open a new discussion for any further comments.

Half-Life Computation

Doesn't seem in-scope as a book—just seems like a single page on how to do a specific calculation. —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 23:06, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

• Keep -You have to consider also that projects can be merged (I have not checked if there is a possible match) in any case consider it a stub with valid content. It is a stub (November 2018) there is the problem of a namespace collision since it identifies as a specific topic (but as you identified is a very limited scope). Had I the time I would create a structure around it and contribute to it in the subject of Entropy or how our non-existing reality, is also "evaporating" into nothing...

Stubs are promoters to growth, like particles to rain... --Panic (discuss • contribs) 20:40, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

• Merge I agree this is not a book by itself, but lots of books have a section about how to calculate half-life stuff -- including some already on Wikibooks: A-level Physics (Advancing Physics)/Half-lives, What You Should Know About Medicines/Half life, or how often to take it, Basic Physics of Nuclear Medicine/The Radioactive Decay Law#Half-Life, AP Chemistry/Nuclear Chemistry#Half Life, A-level Physics/Forces, Fields and Energy/Radioactivity#Half-life, A-level Mathematics/OCR/C3/Special Functions and Transformations#Example of Half-life decay, Introduction to Radioisotope Geochronology/Part Two - Principles of Radioisotopic Dating#Decay Constants and Half Lives, etc. Perhaps this is common enough that Half-Life Computation could be merged/moved into a page of Engineering Tables so that it could be shared across several Wikibooks, in the same way that the ASCII table in Engineering Tables is already shared across several Wikibooks. --DavidCary (discuss • contribs) 01:38, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

Kashubian Dictionary

Out of scope here; material should be hosted at Wiktionary (I've suggested it there). —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 23:39, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Any content in this dictionary should be already be at wiktionary:Wiktionary:Requested entries (Kashubian)/Kashubian Dictionary, where we will be able to slowly make entries for these. Vininn126 (discuss • contribs) 21:51, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

How to Be a Good Camp Counselor

The following discussion has concluded. Please open a new discussion for any further comments.

Chinese Checkers

Extremely minimal content and abandoned for almost 20 years. Was previously nominated for deletion in 2006 but kept on the grounds that it could be expanded—clearly this has not happened. —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 18:56, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Blender Game Engine for Morons

The following discussion has concluded. Please open a new discussion for any further comments.

HP Open View NNM Exam Guide

The following discussion has concluded. Please open a new discussion for any further comments.

Games

The following discussion has concluded. Please open a new discussion for any further comments.

High performance computing

The following discussion has concluded. Please open a new discussion for any further comments.

Doom Modding

Abandoned >1 decade; main page only; very little content; unclear scope/path to completion —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 02:20, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

Global Illumination and HDRI Maps in 3D Studio Max

The following discussion has concluded. Please open a new discussion for any further comments.

Pages in Security+ Certification

Both Security+ Certification/Threats and Vulnerabilities and Security+ Certification/Network Security seem to be deprecated per @Tule-hog's recent overhaul; moreover, the pages in question seem to consist entirely of outlinks to Wikipedia. —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 00:32, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

Obsolete Microsoft certification guides

• MCSE Server 2003 Certification Core Exams (exam 70-290 retired July 2013)
• Microsoft Certified IT Professional (exam 70-444 retired June 2011; exam 70-450 retired July 2015)
• Microsoft Certified Professional Developer (exams 70-526, 70-528, 70-529, 70-547, 70-548 retired June 2011; exams 70-290, 70-536 retired July 2013)

These books all correspond to Microsoft certification exams which were retired in 2011-2015, and consist almost entirely of lists of course objectives copied from official course materials. There's almost no original educational content in any of these three books, and it's highly unlikely that they're going to be improved, since the certification exams they correspond to are no longer offered.

(Reference for the exam retirement dates is: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/credentials/support/retired-certification-exams)

Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 00:27, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Delete per the above; additionally, some of these have very little content at all. Some pages may be candidates for speedy deletion. —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 02:38, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

GNU Autoconf

The following discussion has concluded. Please open a new discussion for any further comments.

IB Textbook Reviews

Very little meaningful educational content; seems like opinion at most? —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 02:45, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Kurdish

The following discussion has concluded. Please open a new discussion for any further comments.

English-Arabic dictionary

Out of scope at Wikibooks since this is already completely covered by Wiktionary. —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 02:49, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Comment English-Arabic dictionary/Colors in Arabic gets a nontrivial amount of traffic (~50 views/day). It'd be nice if we could at least preserve this as a redirect to an equivalent resource. Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 22:38, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

• Keep: a book selecting vocabulary into introductory groups is very different from a lexical database such as Wiktionary. In Wiktionary, one does not know where to start learning the vocabulary. Admittedly, the title gives excessively broad scope, so something should probably be done. (The argument with 50 views/day has some force.) --Dan Polansky (discuss • contribs) 06:48, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Valgrind

The following discussion has concluded. Please open a new discussion for any further comments.

Programming for the consultant

The following discussion has concluded. Please open a new discussion for any further comments.

Metroid

The following discussion has concluded. Please open a new discussion for any further comments.

Radiata Stories

The following discussion has concluded. Please open a new discussion for any further comments.

Dialect

Scope unclear; abandoned with no plan for development; little to no meaningful content; most pages qualify for speedy anyway. —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 12:18, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. --Dan Polansky (discuss • contribs) 06:21, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Programming Text Adventures In Basic

Main page only; abandoned >1 decade; little meaningful content —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 21:17, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom, but I think a change of Wikibooks:Deletion policy is needed so that we can delete useless stubs abandoned for a long time. The nominated page cannot be of any use as is. --Dan Polansky (discuss • contribs) 05:59, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

UNIX Basics

Abandoned >1 decade; little to no meaningful content —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 21:23, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete : no meaningful content. A bit of meaningful content is in Guide to Unix. --Dan Polansky (discuss • contribs) 05:53, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

How to Write a Compiler

Abandoned >1 decade; main page only; little meaningful content —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 21:24, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom: almost no meaningful content. No further reading. --Dan Polansky (discuss • contribs) 05:54, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Script Languages Synopsis

Abandoned >1 decade; little content; unclear path for development —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 21:26, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. --Dan Polansky (discuss • contribs) 05:55, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

CompTIA Certifications

Network+ Certification moved and updated at Wikiversity.

Security+ Certification moved and updated at Wikiversity.

A+ Certification moved and updated at Wikiversity.

De-duplicating work across Wikimedia. Subpages should all be deleted as well. Might be worth leaving a redirect to WV for future users. Tule-hog (discuss • contribs) 21:02, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

I centralized at Wikiversity since the projects (as of now) are compendiums of links and resources based on the listed objectives of each exam, sometimes with explicitly suggested 'activities'. Very little in the way of 'book'-like exposition. Tule-hog (discuss • contribs) 21:06, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Thought about leaving a {{MovedToWikiversity}} but that template has been deleted in the past. Tule-hog (discuss • contribs) 02:52, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

If all the content has indeed moved over to Wikiversity, I'm not sure we need to keep these here, especially given their quality. Cheers –Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 19:18, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Wikiversal generated pages

• Wiki Assistant
• User Page Builder

  Inexplicably, the links on the main page of this book all point to pages under w:User:Hazel45onnie/User Page Builder on the English Wikipedia. I'm nominating those pages for deletion on enwiki as a separate process (here).

• WikiverSuite/Wikiversant/Gunport Builder Demo 1
• Wiki Tutorial

  Some of the internal links in this book are written as if the book is named Tutorial instead of Wiki Tutorial. You may have to use Special:Prefixindex/Wiki Tutorial to read through the whole thing.

These books were all generated using Wikiversal, a third-party wiki editing tool written by User:Planotse which is no longer downloadable. Many of them contain broken internal links or other outdated content (like references to Wikiversity being a subproject of Wikibooks), and the HTML-heavy markup generated by Wikiversal makes them unreasonably difficult to edit.

(As as aside, the markup used for these "presentations" is completely broken on the mobile site, e.g. [1]. For some reason, the forward/back buttons are invisible, making it impossible to navigate from page to page.)

The first three books are all instructions on how to use Wikiversal itself. Since it's no longer available, they are of no use. The fourth, while described as a "Wiki tutorial", primarily instructs users to use Wikiversal to build pages on the wiki; its main page should probably be redirected to Using Wikibooks as a much more comprehensive resource.

Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 02:44, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

It isn't inexplicable that these pages and links are on the English Wikipedia. The spammers who developed these pages were primarily trying to peddle software for use on the English Wikipedia. Their pages on the English Wikipedia are also pending deletion as misusing Wikipedia for web hosting. Robert McClenon (discuss • contribs) 18:46, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Based on the name and some of the user's (now deleted) activity on Wikiversity, I think the software was actually intended primarily for use on Wikibooks and/or Wikiversity. Why they decided to host some of its documentation on Wikipedia is a mystery. Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 18:52, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

It isn't worth trying to explain the behavior of spammers. Sometimes the explanation is stupidity and greed. Robert McClenon (discuss • contribs) 23:05, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

I haven't yet looked at the deletion request here. I am primarily an English Wikipedia editor, just as User:Omphalographer is primarily a Commons editor. Robert McClenon (discuss • contribs) 18:46, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete All - Spam. These books were created twelve years ago to peddle software to new users. This was an abuse of Wikimedia for commercial purposes. Robert McClenon (discuss • contribs) 18:51, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

PlanoTse Handbook for Job Search Automation

Much like the Wikiversal pages nominated above, this book is documentation for a piece of self-authored software by User:Planotse which is no longer available for download. I can't find any substantial references to this software anywhere online outside of this book itself, so it seems highly unlikely to be useful to anyone.

Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 02:49, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Delete per the above. If the software is not currently available and was never widely available or notable previously, I don't see why keeping it is useful, even for historicity. —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 18:36, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete - This is more spam by a spammer. Robert McClenon (discuss • contribs) 23:17, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Salute, Jonathan! and its translations

Alo, Jonathan!

Bune Ğonatan!

Dag, Jonathan!

Glidis, o Jonathan!

Hai, Jon!

Hallo, Jonathan!

Haloo, Jonatan!

Hay, Jonathan!

Hej, Jonathan! (Germanisch)

Hej, Jonathan!

Hela, Jonathan!

Holo, Jonathan!

Oila, Jonatan!

Salam, Jonathan!

Salom, Jonatan!

Salu, Jon!

Salut Jonathan!

Salute, Jonathan!

Salut, Jonathan! (Interocidental)

Salut, Jonathan!

Salut, ionatano!

Salute, Jonathan! (Novlingue)

Salute, Jonathan! (Romanica)

Saluto, Jonathan! (Ido)

Saluto, Jonathan!

Sesan Jon!

Simi, Jonathan!

Sin Chao, Jonathan!

Terve, Jonathan!

Toki a, jan Jonatan!

Àlŏ, Jonathan!

Òla, Ionatà!

There are a couple of issues here:

1. Beyond their introductions, all of these books are written in languages which are not English, making them out of scope for the English Wikibooks.
2. All but one of these books are in fact written in constructed languages, most of them in recently created conlangs. In some cases (e.g. Sin Chao, Jonathan!), I can't find any reliable sources describing the target language outside of the translation itself.
3. Most of the translations (i.e. other than Salute, Jonathan! itself) were abandoned within the first five or so chapters (out of 100); none of them are complete, and there seems to be little effort to complete any of them.

While I recognize that this is an unusual project, and potentially one which could have some value, it's not at all clear to me that the English Wikibooks is the right place for it. Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 00:24, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

I'm really not sure what to do about these ones. While I recognize that this approach is certainly one method of teaching a language, I'm not sure that it constitutes an educational textbook. We do require that the English Wikibooks be written in English—for language-learning books, this typically means that the instructional parts are in English while the exercises are in the language being taught. I do think that if the language doesn't have much supporting evidence outside the book itself, it can safely be deleted. —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 01:01, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Author of the book here. I originally wanted to put it in the Interlingue Wikibooks https://ie.wikibooks.org/wiki/Principal_p%C3%A1gine but it somehow got locked when I wasn't paying attention and so I ended up putting it here. Getting it unlocked requires going through the process of starting an Incubator and all the rest so I opted for here and then started putting some English-only content once it was done. It's sort of in the same vein as books like Lingua Latina per se Illustrata that have separate versions with teacher notes and whatnot. Salute, Jonathan!/Capitul 1 - with notes After it was done the auxlang community really took to it which was a nice surprise. I think Ido has the largest number of chapters at the moment at 15.

If the vast content of this book could be used to justify a quick reopening of the Interlingue Wikibooks to move it there, I'd love to do that. I imagine that an incubator with 100+ book chapters would be enough to open a Wikibooks and that's what this is.

Mithridates (discuss • contribs) 06:02, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Ah, I just realized that we do have a proposal to reopen the Interlingue Wikibooks: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikibooks_Interlingue along with an Incubator page here. https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wb/ie/Principal_p%C3%A1gine

How easy would it be to migrate the entirety of Salute Jonathan to there? Mithridates (discuss • contribs) 06:30, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Mithridates! I'm not sure how incubator projects work, but I fully support migrating these books there. You may want to inquire over there and link to this discussion to support your request to move the content over there. Cheers! —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 13:16, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi!

Actually I have a third idea to propose after thinking about this again today (haven't been here much since I finished the book): I noticed that there is more English content than I remember and that might make it an awkward fit for the Interlingue Wikibooks. I definitely agree that having all the auxlang translations for new auxlang projects goes well beyond the scope of this Wikibooks. Finally, there are some auxlangs that are notable with their own Wikipedias.

So the idea is the following:

1 Leave the original here and I can continue the work on the version with English notes and grammar. That will make it the same as Lingua Latina per se Illustrata, English by the Nature Method, Athenaze and all the rest.

2 The Interlingua one can move to the Interlingua Wikibooks (maybe Romanica too if they want as it is sort of a dialect of Interlingua).

3 For Ido and Lingua Franca Nova which have a Wikipedia but not a Wikibooks, I'm a little bit unsure...technically they could have their own version like the original one but would require English explanations. I could let them know and see if they are willing to do so and see what they think (work on adding English to the books vs. move the content elsewhere).

4 The rest can move to a Github repo, then be deleted, and the front page of this book can have a single link to the repo.

Any thoughts on that? Adding the extra English content will be easy as it is my book and I know it inside and out. Edit: this page I just added.

Mithridates (discuss • contribs) 13:50, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for taking the time to consider this! Here are my responses/questions:

• Is the original Salute, Jonathan! (Occidental)? Since that one is quite fleshed out, I agree that if you edit it so the primary language of the book (e.g. headers, instructions, etc) are written in English while leaving the actual story in Occidental, it would be okay and fit in more with instructional language textbooks.
• For your points 2 and 3, I'm not sure how those other projects work, so I'll leave it up to them. I'm not quite sure why they would need to move, since in theory they could be revised with English as the language of instruction? Although, they have been left incomplete for a long time.
• For your point 4, I have no problem with that.

Cheers! –Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 16:51, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello again,

It's the weekend so I have a bit more time to work on this. I've decided to merge the extra content from the following five chapters since the difference is fairly small and the original chapters should now have this English content. Could you delete these five pages now that they are no longer needed? Mithridates (discuss • contribs) 14:02, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Salute, Jonathan!/Capitul 1 - with notes

Salute, Jonathan!/Capitul 2 - with notes

Salute, Jonathan!/Capitul 3 - with notes

Salute, Jonathan!/Capitul 4 - with notes

Salute, Jonathan!/Capitul 5 - with notes Mithridates (discuss • contribs) 14:02, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Done —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 23:34, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi again! No luck trying to find a home for the random language translations on other auxlang wikis, can't find one that is actively maintained.

The thought struck me that maybe I could just put those ones on a sub page of my user page, would that be permitted? If not, I think I'll just stick them somewhere in GitHub and call it a day since none of the people who started the translations seem to care enough to do anything about them. I'd rather not see them outright disappear but since they aren't mine I don't care enough about them to do much more work than copy and paste them somewhere.

(I would leave the ones in languages with an ISO-639 code and Wikipedia here, of course)

Mithridates (discuss • contribs) 14:13, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for checking! I don't personally see an issue with moving them to your user space right now. Cheers —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 17:21, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! I've started a single page where I will put them all here User:Mithridates/SJ and will proceed slowly due to lack of time and also to avoid stepping on any toes / asking you to delete too much at a time and possibly deleting the wrong content.

For this week I have put the content for the languages Audia, Cristianès, Guosa, Lingaust, Mini, Mirad, and Monav on that page as they all have a single page of content and didn't take much time to move. Please delete those. Once they are gone I will add a note on the main page letting people know where they have gone (in addition to a thank you for their interest in the book! I do love how many people have recognized it as a good source material for teaching a language). Mithridates (discuss • contribs) 04:09, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Keep. Content of educational value that helps learn languages. I think more translations to natural languages should be produced. -Bronto Rex (discuss • contribs) 14:02, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Wooden Boats: Building and Repair

Abandoned almost 2 decades; a few pages, but each has only a few lines of text. —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 01:46, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Stellar Scintillation

Extremely narrow scope that I don't think is quite book-worthy, especially given the low amount of content —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 01:48, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Future Teachers Meet Wiki

The following discussion has concluded. Please open a new discussion for any further comments.

IB Spanish

Abandoned 2 decades; seems like an idea for a book that was never actually implemented (minimal meaningful content) —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 01:55, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Competitive Programming

Survived deletion previously on the justification that it could potentially be expanded, but it's since been over a decade with no improvement; extremely minimal educational content —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 02:03, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Pages by User:TheoYalur

The following discussion has concluded. Please open a new discussion for any further comments.

User:גני טווילרי

The following discussion has concluded. Please open a new discussion for any further comments.

Cyber Guide to ODU Career Management

As best I can tell, this was intended at one point to be an internal resource for employees of an ODU (Old Dominion University) career office; what little of it exists is primarily focused on minutae irrelevant to anyone outside that office, like who to email to schedule an information session or a collection of meeting notes. It's also all been essentially untouched since 2007. Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 18:49, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Delete per stated reasoning —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 19:11, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Golf

Extremely minimal content; educational/book scope is unclear; abandoned for >1 decade. —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 19:15, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Counterterror Joint Command

Unclear how this falls into WB scope—doesn't seem to be an educational book, and educational scope is undefined; abandoned as well —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 19:17, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Delete - this is perplexing; it's written like a policy proposal on behalf of an agency, not a textbook. From context I think it's about the w:National Police Agency (Taiwan), but it's entirely unclear whether this was intended as an official report or some sort of weird fan fiction. Either way, it doesn't belong here. Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 19:31, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Flight Attendant Manual

Abandoned almost 2 decades; consists only of a list of country codes and the phonetic alphabet. —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 19:19, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

• Delete Pppery (discuss • contribs) 03:58, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

History of the ODU Art Department

A collection of fragmentary biographies and interviews of members of the ODU (Old Dominion University) art department. Some of these are individually interesting, I guess, but they don't really add up to a history of the department, let alone to an instructional text. Most editing activity appears to have been around 2008-09; there's almost no activity since then. Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 19:22, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Comment I have to agree here. And, issues with the book's suitability for inclusion here have been raised on the talk page since its beginning. I'm concerned that this ultimately violates WB:WIW, and I can't see it being properly developed at this point. —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 16:46, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

Understanding the National Certificate of Educational Achievement

Scope unclear; very little content; abandoned >1 decade —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 19:30, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Release Management

Abandoned almost 2 decades; very little content; unclear what its scope as a book is —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 23:11, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Management for IT Professionals

Minimal content; book scope unclear; abandoned almost 2 decades —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 23:13, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

• Delete Pppery (discuss • contribs) 03:57, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

Living in Bangkok

Minimal content; consists of single chapter that contains likely outdated information —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 23:14, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

• Delete Pppery (discuss • contribs) 03:57, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

Limburgish

Abandoned; single chapter with minimal content —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 23:19, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

In general, I think deletion not solve anything. While the contents is minimal, it's still better than nothing at all. Rather, an invitation should be made to expand on it. --Ooswesthoesbes (discuss • contribs) 06:27, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Ooswesthoesbes! While I understand your perspective, I unfortunately disagree. Wikibooks has a huge number of abandoned stubs like this one, which I think results in clutter and makes the entire project less useful as a result. Due to their nature and structure, books require a greater committed investment to make than, say, WP articles, and these little scraps are rarely developed here. This book has had plenty of opportunity for expansion since you started it over a decade ago, but nobody has actually made any effort to do so. Based on the evidence from the past decade, when weighing the likelihood of the book being properly developed going forward versus the active negative impact of its continued presence in this state, I favor deletion. Moreover, in the rare case that someone came along later and wanted to revive this book specifically, it could be undeleted. Cheers —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 13:55, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Introduction to BASIC

Consists only of a few paragraphs and then a compilation of links —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 23:22, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

International Baccalaureate

Not actually a book in and of itself; rather, it is just a compilation of links to other books —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 23:24, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Could this be salvaged as a shelf? Pppery (discuss • contribs) 05:23, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

GUI Design Principles

The following discussion has concluded. Please open a new discussion for any further comments.

Basketball

Abandoned almost 2 decades; doesn't contain much beyond what you'd find in a WP article —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 23:41, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

I love the game, but yes, this has no real content. That said, there's little danger in keeping it and it could plausibly be improved, so I'm weak keep. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:33, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

• Delete We can't just rely on User:Someone Else to come – and on a project as small as this, that User:Someone Else is more or less never likely to come. --SHB2000 (discuss • contribs) 10:33, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Bug Free Programming

Unclear how exactly this constitutes an educational book; scope is unclear —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 23:45, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Wow, I didn't even remember this one. I think it's perfectly clear how this is educational and the scope couldn't be clearer, either, but I'm not going to finish it so go ahead and delete it. Főszerkesztő Úr (discuss • contribs) 12:35, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Character List for Baxter&Sagart

Seems completely out of scope as an educational book; it's just a list of characters and outlinks —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 23:53, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Adding Character List for Karlgren's GSR and Character List for Schuessler's CGSR for the same reason —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 23:55, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

These three books do make a package and I agree they should be considered together. However, I strongly object to deleting them. They are really extremely useful resources. I use them every week and I know that many people who do work on Old Chinese phonology do so. There are lots of books out there that are lists of characters, these are called dictionaries. For example Axel Schuessler's ABC Etymological Dictionary of Old Chinese, or Pulleyblank's Lexicon of Reconstructed Pronunciation in Early Middle Chinese, Late Middle Chinese, and Early Mandarin. I see it as entirely a good thing for reference works of this kind to be available free online rather than only in expensive books in university research libraries. If this is in violation of a Wikibooks policy, I would at least like that policy to be drawn to my attention and to have some constructive comment offered about which Wikiproject such a resource should fall under. I will also say on a personal note that I have put literally hundreds of hours of work into these projects and it would grieve me a lot to see this work simply vanish, in particular when I know that colleagues around the world use these books. --Tibetologist (discuss • contribs) 07:27, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Tibetologist, and thank you for the feedback! Official Wikibooks policy does not permit standalone dictionaries (see WB:DICT), though I understand the argument that it is a useful resource. I am wondering if there might be a home for it at Wiktionary or Wikiversity? Cheers —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 12:14, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

The policy says to use Wiktionary, but these books cannot be moved there. In fact they link there, you can understand me as having made an index to wiktionary, if you like, where the ORDER of the characters is extremely important, information that would be lost in Wiktionary.

Wikiversity is not a project I participate in, and in any event my books here are older than it, so this option was not available for me at the relevant moment. If you are offering to move my books to Wikiversity, that is very kind of you and I will very graciously accept. Tibetologist (discuss • contribs) 14:10, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

I have pinged over at Wikiversity Colloquium to ask about suitability and have looped you into the conversation over there. Cheers —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 18:20, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Per v:Wikiversity:Colloquium#Import_Resource_From_Wikibooks?, I recommend copying and pasting, including attribution via the edit summary and talk page, add appropriate categories and links, and then it could be deleted locally. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:32, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Citroën XM

Abandoned >1 decade; very minimal content —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 23:57, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Happiness

Significant NPOV issues; not much content; abandoned for >1 decade —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 23:58, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Islamic Studies Grade 1

Abandoned >1 decade with very little content —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 00:03, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Delete - the table of contents makes it clear that this book was intended to house POV religious content (e.g. a chapter titled "Allah Is The One"). This is incompatible with WB:NPOV. Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 01:12, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Suomen kieli käyttöön

Multiple pages in this book are written entirely in Finnish, which is out of the enWB scope. —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 00:09, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

I was going to say whether we should ask any fiwikibooks sysop to maybe see if this could be transwikied to fiwb if it's within the scope there. But fi:Toiminnot:Käyttäjät/sysop indicates that there are only 3 sysops, and only Anr and Zache have made edits this year. If they deem it to be salvageable, then transwiki + delete, otherwise straight-up delete. --SHB2000 (discuss • contribs) 11:24, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

It seems that the idea behind the book was for the pages to be bilingual, as it’s a language learning book. That’s why there are Finnish texts included intentionally even on the pages that are complete. There are similar books in dewikibooks and ruwikibooks as well. For the English version, I think the easiest way to proceed would be to clean up and adjust the page layout to fit enwikibooks better, and then translate the missing parts. By the way, if anyone wants to update the book’s name in English, it can be titled "Using the Finnish Language" or "Put Finnish Language into Use" for a direct translation. Zache (discuss • contribs) 11:57, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Several pages in Hobo tourism and Hobo travel journalism

The following pages are entirely self-promotional content that is suitable for a blog but not WB (same contributor made the now-deleted pages from above).

• Hobo tourism/Third creative trip of Viktor Pinchuk to Africa
• Hobo tourism/Third African trip
• Hobo tourism/Visiting Death
• Hobo tourism/One day in an Afghan prison
• Hobo tourism/Around the world with empty pockets
• Hobo tourism/Indian dreams
• Hobo tourism/Two months of wandering and 14 days behind bars
• Hobo tourism/Holiday of wandering mzungu
• Hobo tourism/Afghan prisoner
• Hobo tourism/Two hundred days in Latin America
• Hobo tourism/Mongolian huyvaldagch
• Hobo tourism/Six months by islands... and countries
• Hobo tourism/Viktor Pinchuk's expedition to the Islands of Oceania
• Hobo tourism/Viktor Pinchuk's solo expedition to Africa (2017/18)
• Hobo tourism/Latin American expedition of Viktor Pinchuk
• Hobo tourism/Bum tour of winter Japan
• Hobo tourism/Afghan Expedition of Viktor Pinchuk
• Hobo tourism/Second creative trip of Viktor Pinchuk to Africa
• Hobo tourism/Creative trip to Mongolia
• Hobo tourism/Creative trip to India
• Hobo tourism/First creative trip of Viktor Pinchuk to Africa
• Hobo tourism/Tropical fever in the bum tour (an example from practice)
• Hobo tourism/African Robbery
• Hobo travel journalism/With a backpack around the planet (rubric in the newspaper “Southern Capital”)
• Hobo travel journalism/Returning from distant wanderings (rubric in the newspaper "Republic of Crimea")
• Hobo travel journalism/Wind of wanderings (rubric in the newspaper "Crimean Time")
• Hobo travel journalism/Around the World (rubric in the newspaper "Crimean Observer")
• Hobo travel journalism/Travel notes (rubric in the ProX magazine)

—Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 22:01, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Delete - I would support deleting the entire book, not just these chapters. Even aside from the self-promotional content listed above, other chapters give some extremely questionable advice on sleeping arrangements, such as:

• Trespassing on private property (Hobo tourism/Overnight stays in long intercontinental journeys/In halls and stairwells; Hobo tourism/Overnight stays in long intercontinental journeys/On objects under construction)
• Sleeping inside archaeological sites (Hobo tourism/Overnight stays in long intercontinental journeys/In the ancient pyramid)
• Harassing locals if they don't let you into their house (Hobo tourism/Overnight stays in long intercontinental journeys/In Aboriginal dwellings - "independently knock on any dwelling, asking for a place under a canopy in the yard; with a negative result, repeating the action repeatedly")

Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 04:45, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Delete Agree with above. Delete all.--Xania ^talk 03:38, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

These articles have many internal links from English-language Wikinews. Removing the material would harm the news articles and the project as a whole. — Виктор Пинчук (discuss • contribs) 15:55, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Виктор Пинчук—while I understand your concern, I'm fairly certain that being linked to is not an acceptable justification in policy or otherwise for content that is inappropriate for Wikibooks in the first place. If that were the case, vandalism or other inappropriate material could be kept simply because it is linked to somewhere else. If consensus says that these pages don't belong at Wikibooks due to the unsuitability of the content, I think that decision will stand independently. Cheers —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 17:28, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Vandalism is a harmful and unproductive change for the project. But what is reviewed by administrators (precisely administrators, not one administrator) of English-language news cannot be compared to vandalism. Such an example is inappropriate. — Виктор Пинчук (discuss • contribs) 19:11, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Then that is an issue which Wikinews can deal with. Wikibooks is its own project, and can make its own decisions about the suitability of content. Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 22:06, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Wikibooks is harming Wikinews, and that's its problem. Well, that's fine.
However, I want to say that any paper textbook can be supplemented with optional material containing examples on the topic from the author's personal practice. It can be published as a separate brochure or included in a paper textbook. Who wants to — reads, does not want — does not read.They probably haven't heard about it in the English section...— Виктор Пинчук (discuss • contribs) 16:32, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Это живой и рабочий проект, Виктор. И вы разговариваете с двумя администраторами. Ваши самопиарки поудаляют вскорости, смиритесь. — Ирука¹³ 19:45, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Delete I put half of these articles on ruBooks for deletion a year ago. Alas, ruBooks are more dead than alive. — Ирука¹³ 19:45, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

files from Phoenix Wright

Used for decorative, not educational, purposes (WB:NFCC#8): File:AAIME Official Artwork.jpg, File:PWAAJFA episode1.png, File:PW JFA Official Artwork.jpg, File:Gyakuten Kenji 2 Official Artwork.png, File:AJ officialart.jpg, File:PW T&T Official Artwork.jpg, File:SMB2 dream staircase art.jpg.

Galleries (WB:NFCC#3): File:Moonflow 27.jpg, File:Macalania 18.jpg, File:Chauncey LM.jpg , File:King Boo LM.jpg, File:Boolossus LM.jpg. — Ирука¹³ 16:22, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

My thoughts below:

• File:AAIME Official Artwork.jpg Delete purely decorative
• File:PWAAJFA episode1.png Delete purely decorative
• File:PW JFA Official Artwork.jpg Delete purely decorative
• File:Gyakuten Kenji 2 Official Artwork.png Delete purely decorative
• File:AJ officialart.jpg Delete purely decorative
• File:PW T&T Official Artwork.jpg Delete purely decorative
• File:SMB2 dream staircase art.jpg Delete purely decorative
• File:Moonflow 27.jpg Keep low resolution and seems to be illustrating something
• File:Macalania 18.jpg Uncertain
• File:Chauncey LM.jpg Keep seems to be actually illustrating something
• File:King Boo LM.jpg Keep seems to be actually illustrating something
• File:Boolossus LM.jpg Keep seems to be actually illustrating something

Cheers —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 22:12, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

A Summary of Theology and Thought in Messianic Judaism

Abandoned >1 decade; little to no meaningful content —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 23:25, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

• Delete Pppery (discuss • contribs) 03:55, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

SEAWORLD CHRISTMAS CELEBRATION 2021-PRESENT

The following discussion has concluded. Please open a new discussion for any further comments.

NVQ Carpentry books

• NVQ Carpentry Level 2
• NVQ Carpentry Level 3

These pages are both largely unformatted lists of test questions and answers pertaining to UK carpentry training programs (cf. w:National Vocational Qualification). They are not written as books, and would take a major effort to transform into appropriate training materials for the associated coursework, rather than the "cheat sheets" they are now. Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 18:14, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete Pppery (discuss • contribs) 03:54, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

AvernumScript

This book is a copydump of the Blades of Avernum documentation, which is not freely licensed. (The original documentation is available at [2], in the "Blades of Avernum Editor" download, as "BoA Editor Docs v12.pdf".) Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 18:33, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

If it's a copyvio, I think we can speedy delete it. —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 03:23, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

WikiLang

• WikiLang
• about 70 subpages; see Special:PrefixIndex/WikiLang/ for a full list
• Transwiki:WikiLang/Gothic alphabet/𐌰
• Transwiki:WikiLang/Jeju
• Transwiki:WikiLang/Plattdüütsch Phonology

These pages were imported from m:WikiLang in 2021 for unclear reasons. It was originally a proposal for a new Wikimedia project which was rejected in 2017. The main page still contains the project proposal from meta, and the subpages contain a mishmash of encyclopedic content (e.g. WikiLang/Africa), word lists (e.g. WikiLang/Blackfoot/Animals), and miscellaneous project content (e.g. WikiLang/Media, WikiLang/News, etc). While the goals of this project may be laudable, this material doesn't add up to a book, and Wikibooks is not a launchpad for new Wikimedia projects. Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 22:05, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

See m:Meta:Requests_for_deletion/Archives/2021#WikiLang_pages. This also already exists on Wikiversity as v:Portal:Wikilang. I guess we don't need both. Pppery (discuss • contribs) 19:15, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

Transwiki:Bypassing the Great Firewall of China

This content was imported from Wikipedia about 18 years ago (!), but never found a home in any existing book. Given its extreme age, the instructions on this page are no longer relevant or useful; the Tor Project has more up-to-date content on the topic on its own web site. Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 00:02, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

If it's out of date, not useful, and not part of any other book, I can't see a good reason for keeping it. —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 03:24, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Delete Pppery (discuss • contribs) 03:53, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

Transwiki:Easy Hydroponics Feeding

This reads like a promotional article for a brand of plant food ("Maxsea"). Even if we had an appropriate book to merge this into, this wouldn't belong in it. Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 00:05, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

Delete per listed reasons. It does seem suspiciously like promotional material. —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 03:25, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Anglese

A very incomplete lexicon (consisting of about a dozen words) for what appears to be a constructed language. Even if this were a real language, which it doesn't appear to be, it'd belong on Wiktionary, not here. Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 21:26, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete Pppery (discuss • contribs) 03:52, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

Delete per stated reasoning. Extremely small amount of content, not well-defined as book. —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 13:27, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

Adam Curylo's Python

A small collection of a user's Python programs and notes on external resources. This isn't useful as a book (as it's almost entirely source code); we have multiple books like Python Programming on the topic already. Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 21:26, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete Wikibooks is not GitHub. Pppery (discuss • contribs) 03:52, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

Delete per stated reasoning —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 13:28, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

Teaching Social Studies in Virtual Space

Abandoned; no substantial content since the book was created in 2011. Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 05:26, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete A lot of meta-content but no actual content. Pppery (discuss • contribs) 03:52, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

Template:Ncd

Unnecessary hardcoded instance of {{Now Commons}}. JJP_Master (she/they) 05:13, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete Unused legacy import. Pppery (discuss • contribs) 03:51, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

Delete or redirect to the new template. —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 16:47, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

Proposed New Characters: The Pipeline

A couple issues with this one:

• The book scope is unclear, and there has been no engagement with the query flag.
• I'm concerned that this is part of the long-term vandalism we've been having with unicode-related materials. See the following discussions for some context:
  • Please check sockpuppets editing Unicode/Versions (April 2023)
  • Unicode/Versions (July 2023)
  • IP editor adds unsourced content to JP writing system articles (August 2024)
  • CU request (August 2024)

—Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 14:14, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Delete - this is a mixture of copy/pasted content from the Unicode web site and made-up nonsense. Unicode 17.0 is currently a draft, and is likely to be released in September 2025 (not 2024 as stated on this page). The remainder of the page appears to be conflating accepted Unicode proposals, pending proposals, and unofficial assignments (e.g. for constructed scripts); the result is an incomprehensible mess. Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 20:46, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Delete - definitely doesn't seem to fit. ^{— L10nM4st3r} / _{ROAR at me!} 15:23, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

AT&T Mobility FAQ

• AT&T Mobility FAQ
• AT&T Mobility FAQ/MEdia Net Configuration
• AT&T Mobility FAQ/Data Connect Configuration

An extremely outdated FAQ on AT&T's cell phone services. Most of this document was written 20+ years ago as a Usenet FAQ; very little of it is accurate or useful anymore (particularly the two subpages, which have to do with obsolete configurations for "tethering" a computer to a cell phone). No objection if someone wants to update it, but there's clearly been no appetite to do that. Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 22:20, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

I'm wondering if it might make sense for us to develop some kind of policy on archiving books here. There are many like this one that have a good deal of content but are extremely out of date and just not useful as originally intended. ——Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 22:34, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

@Kittycataclysm: See the newly developed Wikibooks:Outdated books. JJP_Master (she/they) 00:16, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Ooh, thanks - something like that seems like it could be an appropriate way to handle this book. A lot of the other outdated books I've tagged have been so incomplete that they wouldn't have been particularly useful even as historical references; this one might at least have some interest.

Any chance we can get a separate namespace (maybe "Archive:") set up for archived book content? That'd make it possible to do things like exclude them from on-site search by default. Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 21:07, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

I think this might be a more extended discussion, so I'll bump it over to the talk page of the draft policy! —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 21:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Install osDate

Single-page book on how to install a piece of software which, as far as I can tell, is no longer available anywhere. This doesn't feel like a great candidate for archiving, as it's largely repeating instructions which were almost certainly included in the software installer - there's no unique insight worth saving here. Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 01:48, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

• Delete Pppery (discuss • contribs) 19:18, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Skript+

This book is about a scripting language made by the main contributor (who did all but one of the contributions in the whole book). There are, also, NO mentions of "Skript+", excluding random forums discussing a Minecraft mod. The "scripting language" is for ChatGPT. I, personally, do not believe I will ever need to determine the output of a ChatGPT conversation because the purpose of ChatGPT is not to provide a predetermined output. It, also, does not have many features, which makes it practically useless. And new information will not be added because the user is now inactive. It doesn't even mention how to import "Skript+". It even states that it is a concept. A concept cannot be a education resource. GrammarPoliceOffical (discuss • contribs) 03:45, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Delete for the following reasons:

• Book has been abandoned with very little content;
• Book does not have any real introductory matter or other content explaining it in sufficient detail;
• Cannot find evidence of this scripting language or its adoption anywhere else, and the only contributor explicitly says they invented it;
• As was mentioned, I can't understand how a scripting language is even supposed to work when fed into a large language model like GPT. That's not how scripting or LLMs are designed to work.

—Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 19:44, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Concur. This "scripting language" is entirely imaginary. It's running with the concept that a language model can follow simple instructions, and trying to formalize that behavior into a "language". But there is no such formal language; the language model is just trying to play along with whatever input the user throws at it. Trying to document it is futile. Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 22:22, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Learn Polish with This Book

Is an empty book. A book for Polish already exists (Polish). GrammarPoliceOffical (discuss • contribs) 03:55, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Delete per stated reasons —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 19:35, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Chess Opening Theory/1. e4/1...d6/2. Qg4

Obvious queen blunder which has never been played at master level, and would never be mentioned in a chess opening book. J Mo 101 (discuss • contribs) 18:20, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Delete . This is described in a Chessbase blog post as "the worst blunder in the opening that does not lead to immediate checkmate", and in a chess.stackexchange answer as a "nonsense opening". The intent of this book is to describe common practice, not to enumerate every possible move. Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 03:54, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Cookbook talk:Grilled_Cheese_Sandwich

The following discussion has concluded. Please open a new discussion for any further comments.

My Preferences When Meeting New Friends

Probably doesn't fit into wikibooks, looks to be more of an opinionated book. ^{— L10nM4st3r} / _{ROAR at me!} 09:43, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

Co-Life

This appears to be documentation for an internal web application at the National Center for High-performance Computing in Taiwan which is no longer online. (It's unclear if it was ever available to the public in the first place, or if it was only available to staff.) Either way, the documentation is of no use to us or anyone. Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 03:30, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

Delete per stated reasoning. There's very little content, and it just doesn't seem useful or worth preserving to me. —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 23:03, 7 February 2025 (UTC)

Mandarin edition of the OpenSSH wikibook is an abandoned fragment and not based on the actual book

The Chinese edition of the OpenSSH wikibook is only a tiny fragment of a single page which has remained abandoned since 2017. Furthermore, the text which it contains is not even based on the actual book. Please tidy things up by deleting the Chinese OpenSSH book page and removing all links to it, if any, which are found on the main book. Thanks.

If the page cannot be deleted, please at least remove the link to it from the English edition of the OpenSSH book. Thanks again.

— Larsnooden (discuss • contribs) 09:53, 28 January 2025 (UTC)

@Larsnooden We cannot do the first one (you'll need to bring it up directly with the zh.wikibooks users), and the second one is also difficult, because the interwiki links are actually hosted on Wikidata and I am not sure if we can remove a link for this reason. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 12:30, 28 January 2025 (UTC)

I understand. Have I marked the page correctly for deletion there? If so, will it eventually be processed by the zh.wikibooks commmunity? — Larsnooden (discuss • contribs) 13:41, 28 January 2025 (UTC)

It looks like a deletion discussion has been created; however, it also looks like there's very little activity on the discussion page, with some discussions having been open for several years. So I wouldn't hold my breath. Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 01:15, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

Rc

There are precisely zero links to this cross-namespace redirect that didn't work at the time of creation. I converted it into a soft redirect instead of RfDing thinking that that could break links, before realizing that there are none. JJP_Master (she/they) 04:47, 5 February 2025 (UTC)

• Delete Pppery (discuss • contribs) 04:56, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

Algebra/Chapter 10/Symmetric Polynomials

I personally believe that this, and all of the sections should be deleted for the fact that this goes WAY beyond the scope of what was intended for the Chapter (Algebra II level polynomials). GoreyCat (discuss • contribs) 15:07, 6 February 2025 (UTC)

Split: Deletion here is not the best solution (see w:WP:ATD). Instead, this page and its subpages should be moved to another book, most likely Abstract Algebra. JJP_Master (she/they) 17:35, 6 February 2025 (UTC)

Keep since there is a good amount of content. If Abstract Algebra is appropriate, it seems like a fine idea to move there. —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 22:59, 7 February 2025 (UTC)

Eh, yeah, I supposed moving it is better. I just don't think it's suitable for where it appears. GoreyCat (discuss • contribs) 01:40, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

Change Issues in Curriculum and Instruction

This book is a school project with OR that should be moved to Wikiversity. JJP_Master (she/they) 03:30, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

I'm not certain this is a good fit for Wikiversity either. It's essentially a collection of student essays written in 2007 on various topics related to education. If this were an active project there'd be more of an argument for moving it, but in its current state I don't think it makes sense to keep. It's hopelessly mired in opinion and often badly outdated; I'm inclined to say the answer will be to Delete it. Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 22:02, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

History_of_wireless_telegraphy_and_broadcasting_in_Australia/Topical/Biographies/A

The following pages are also nominated for deletion: https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/History_of_wireless_telegraphy_and_broadcasting_in_Australia/Topical/Biographies/B https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/History_of_wireless_telegraphy_and_broadcasting_in_Australia/Topical/Biographies/C https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/History_of_wireless_telegraphy_and_broadcasting_in_Australia/Topical/Biographies/D https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/History_of_wireless_telegraphy_and_broadcasting_in_Australia/Topical/Biographies/E https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/History_of_wireless_telegraphy_and_broadcasting_in_Australia/Topical/Biographies/F https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/History_of_wireless_telegraphy_and_broadcasting_in_Australia/Topical/Biographies/G https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/History_of_wireless_telegraphy_and_broadcasting_in_Australia/Topical/Biographies/H https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/History_of_wireless_telegraphy_and_broadcasting_in_Australia/Topical/Biographies/I https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/History_of_wireless_telegraphy_and_broadcasting_in_Australia/Topical/Biographies/J https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/History_of_wireless_telegraphy_and_broadcasting_in_Australia/Topical/Biographies/K https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/History_of_wireless_telegraphy_and_broadcasting_in_Australia/Topical/Biographies/L

These are now all duplicate pages that were: (1) originally created by @Xeverything11 in Dec 2024

   by extracting portion of History_of_wireless_telegraphy_and_broadcasting_in_Australia/Topical/Biographies;

(2) then "blanked" (all content removed) by myself in Dec 2024

   contemporaneous with discussions with @Kittycataclysmat and @Leaderboard in Reading_room/General (topic: Page Size);

(3) then reverted by @JJPMaster in Feb 2025 with a suggestion that the pages needed to be referred for Speedy Deletion here.

The individual alphabetical pages are now duplicates and orphans and should be deleted. The original pages have been updated over the last two months and the existence of the duplicate pages serves no purpose and is confusing

Introduction to Human Geography

Abandoned for multiple years, only one page has any meaningful content, and it's about two paragraphs —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 19:53, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

Delete Seems abandoned and lacks content. --Xania ^talk 03:38, 17 February 2025 (UTC)

Plug-in Development for Google Desktop

The w:Google Desktop software was discontinued in 2011. Neither the application nor its SDK are available anymore (and the software probably wouldn't work even if you obtained a copy), so the information on this page is no longer useful to anyone. Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 02:06, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

Delete. The deletion policy isn't 100% clear on what to do with stuff like this. Because the definition of "meaningful content" can be open to interpretation, in this case, I would argue this page lacks in meaningful content because there is no reason anyone would ever need it anymore, given the fact that Google Desktop is long deprecated. MediaKyle (discuss • contribs) 11:40, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

Delete because there is so little content and organization that it wouldn't really make sense to archive it. —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 16:50, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

2009 UIL Spelling Study Manual

The 2009 UIL Spelling Competition was over 15 years ago; it's unlikely that this outdated word list would be of use to anyone - especially since it was never completed; the last word defined (in alphabetical order) is "casus belli", and the word list itself stops at "futurity race". I'm not sure the full list is even available anywhere, nor that the study manual would be any more useful even if it were finished. Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 02:29, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

Delete. Clearly abandoned, and lacking in meaningful content. I agree with the nominator that this would be unlikely to be useful even if it were able to be finished. MediaKyle (discuss • contribs) 11:31, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

Delete per stated reasoning. —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 16:51, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

Puredyne

Development of Puredyne Linux was discontinued in 2012, and the software no longer appears to be available for download anywhere. (An archive of the web site is still up - with a bunch of embedded spam links - but the download links are all dead.) Is this a suitable candidate for archival (cf. Wikibooks:Outdated books), or should it just be deleted? Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 04:35, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

I'd just archive stuff like this. Looks like a decent bit of work went into it, and you never know when someone might need to use Puredyne for some obscure project. I'd be willing to bet mirrors exist of it somewhere, or someone has it on a drive. If you want to find some stuff worth deleting, comb through Category:Allbooks categories. MediaKyle (discuss • contribs) 11:30, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

Laptop Computer Models

This book aimed to become a catalog of "all known laptop computer models". Whether this sort of database is even in scope for Wikibooks is questionable. But it's beyond question that the book has failed to achieve its objective - out of the many thousands of models of laptops that have been manufactured, this book only has information on a few dozen, mostly from around 2010 (when it was written). Most of the subpages are incomplete, and there seems to be little interest in improving or updating the book. Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 20:09, 17 March 2025 (UTC)

• Intuitively or from heart, I would delete the material as per above: it is too underdeveloped and has been so for a long time. However, it is not clear that it matches policy. To address a possible policy problem, I started Wikibooks:Reading room/General#Deleting stale stubs. The policy states: "In general, keep stubs that can be improved on, but delete stubs that are too narrowly defined or do not have a decent definition of what they are about." --Dan Polansky (discuss • contribs) 09:51, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

  As a matter of policy, I'm fairly certain that a book of this nature would already be out of scope per WB:NOTWP. If an encyclopedia or dictionary is out of scope as insufficiently "book-like", a catalog like this is only more so. Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 20:51, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

  That seems right: "Wikibooks is not an in-depth encyclopedia on a specific topic nor are pages encyclopedia-formatted articles. Books build knowledge from one page to the next, with interdependency between pages. Books in progress are sometimes organized in an encyclopedic manner until developed into proper books. For an encyclopedia, see our sister project Wikipedia." However, I think this is a bad policy as formulated, in part since it would lead e.g. to deletion of Windows Batch Scripting. That is to say, I do not think chapters/sections/parts of a book should be required to be integrated, one building on another. --Dan Polansky (discuss • contribs) 19:27, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:R from move

The template in question is not added to redirects that were created after moving a page. In fact, Category:Redirects from moves does not exist. Both the template and the documentation contain multiple non-existent templates. This template appears to be an exact copy of the template on Wikipedia. (except for the hatnote which was moved from the template to the documentation on Wikibooks, unlike Wikipedia; the hatnote was removed from the documentation because the template is not added to redirects that result from page moves) – TG-ARTICLE (talk) 17:20, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

Delete - this looks like it was inadvertently pulled in during the 2024 import of {{Isotones}}; see logs for details. There's a handful of other unused templates in the Transwiki namespace which transclude this template, which should probably be deleted as well. Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 02:57, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

Delete Sigh. Pppery (discuss • contribs) 04:55, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

Delete per nom. --Dan Polansky (discuss • contribs) 10:02, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Wantedpages

Says the special page is disabled. It isn't anymore. Pppery (discuss • contribs) 04:55, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

Wikibooks:Ignore all rules

The title of this page, created in 2024 without discussion as far as I can see, is a dishonest/Orwellian exhortation. It should ideally be deleted. No honest person, especially administrator, can admonish other editors to ignore all rules. Being driven by good rules is a sign of well administered public wiki that as if anyone can edit. --Dan Polansky (discuss • contribs) 19:14, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Keep as the author of the page. "Ignore all rules" is one of the most fundamental ideals of the Wikimedia movement (see meta:Ignore all rules for information about it, as well as the interwiki links on WB:IAR). (Note: I did not become an administrator until after I created the page) JJP_Master (she/they) 03:52, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

It is not an ideal but rather an anti-ideal. The meta page states: "If a rule prevents you from improving or maintaining a project, ignore it." I am a semi-admin/curator in the English Wikiversity, capable of deleting pages; should I follow the quoted meta-rule, I could immediately start deleting bad pages in volume regardless of policies, guidelines and common practice: I would argue that the existing rules (policies, guidelines, etc.) prevent me from improving or maintaining the project. The same problem exists in Wikibooks: if I was a Wikibooks administrator, I could claim that the rule of using RFD to delete bad pages prevents me from (efficiently) improving or maintaining a project, then ignore the rule and start deleting bad pages in volume via speedy deletion. The reason why this does not happen is that administrators do in general in fact abide by rules (policies and guidelines), even those rules that prevent them from improving the project (improving by their assessment).

I therefore repeat my proposal to delete this dishonest page, fortunately not matching the actual practice. --Dan Polansky (discuss • contribs) 13:44, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

Anarchist FAQ

The book is mostly copied from https://anarchistfaq.org/afaq, which is licensed only under the GFDL. This violates WB:COPY, which says that "you cannot import information which is available only under the GFDL". jlwoodwa (discuss • contribs) 02:57, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

JJPMaster said in an edit summary that the copyright holder was "contacted with instructions to email VRT". jlwoodwa (discuss • contribs) 03:37, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Much of the content was copied before dual licensing was introduced at Wikibooks and is therefore not a violation of the policy that was in force at the time. This is therefore not a valid deletion reason for any content that pre-dates the introduction of dual licensing MarcGarver (discuss • contribs) 11:37, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Delete - the fact that the content of this book is almost entirely copied from an outside source is itself a problem, regardless of the license of that work. The purpose of Wikibooks is to develop new freely licensed texts, not merely to create copies of existing texts. A 2009 request for deletion was closed as "keep on the condition it is developed and not hosted as a completed work". Over fifteen years later, this still hasn't happened, and there's no indication that it ever will. Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 04:36, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Qr-twwp

This isn't exactly a request to delete the template, but rather to merge it with {{Copypaste}}. The {{Qr-twwp}} template serves the same purpose as {{Copypaste}}, but without the seven-day period after which the page is deleted. This leads to confusion, as well as a perpetually full Category:Queried pages. JJP_Master (she/they) 17:37, 30 March 2025 (UTC)