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Unicode importEdit

Hi. I'm Barkeep49 an administrator at English Wikipedia. These articles were recently at a deletion discussion where the consensus was that these do not meet our guidelines but could be usefully transwikified. After some discussion at Wikisource it was felt that this project might be a better home to them. I don't know enough about your conventions to suggest where or how to import this list. Thanks and best, Barkeep49 (discusscontribs) 15:36, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Pinging @JackPotte: who mentioned that they could help with this at WikiSource. Best, Barkeep49 (discusscontribs) 15:37, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
I can do this. It's probably easier for me as I can import them all from a file rather than one at a time. QuiteUnusual (discusscontribs) 16:18, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
@Barkeep49:. They've all been imported, links updated above. They will also need the templates importing but I suspect that these aren't up for deletion at WP so there's no urgency. Of course, whether any of it will get adopted into a book here is another question... Anyway, the content is safely imported so can be deleted at WP - thanks. QuiteUnusual (discusscontribs) 16:29, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
@QuiteUnusual: thank you. You are correct that the templates it's using are not up for deletion and are used by other articles so I don't anticipate they would be deleted. Best, Barkeep49 (discusscontribs) 16:46, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
QuiteUnusual I obviously have zero experience of WikiBooks and Transwiki'ing however I did offer to @Barkeep49 I might try to do this as a person of last resort. However I am only comfortable doing so if I can see the original pages on WikiPedia to compare with any resultant WikiBook here. I would suggest the call on deletion is made on the person forming the Wikibook, not by the importer. Obviously if the person creating the Wikibook is taking too much time that may be a different matter. Obviously a more experienced may be prepared a different way, but that is their call. Thankyou.Djm-leighpark (discusscontribs) 06:17, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
I'm struggling a bit to understand the point you are making. The pages from Wikipedia are safely stored in the Transwiki namespace of Wikibooks having been imported last week. They will sit in the Transwiki namespace forever until someone adopts them into a book. There is no need to delay the deletion on Wikipedia, and no rush to put them into a book. However, the best place to put them eventually is probably into the existing book on this subject (Unicode), rather than a new book. QuiteUnusual (discusscontribs) 10:15, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

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QuiteUnusual Thankyou for your suggestion of the book Unicode however EDCDIC is not Unicode; both are subsets of 8-byte codes which in itself is a subset of computer word codes? There was 6-bit stuff on ICT/NCR-Elliot/PDP8 and others and I think some other sizes on some DEC/CDC/Sperry but I am guessing on those. It is probably possible to kludge the EDCBIC stuff into a UNICODE book but there are advantages and disadvantages to that. I see this as a migration. I done migrations before and I generally cross check source and target if at all possible. And I am in my comfort zone. So I am doing the migration that is the way I wish to work if I end up being the transwiki'er of last resort. And if you are prepare to adopt these in a book yourself, and any other code pages that come across, then you are most welcome (and this is likely not the most difficult use case). However to make it blunt if people are not prepared to do that then I will regard this project as an unsuitable place for me. I (or more likely by alter bigdelboy (discuss · email · contribs · logs · count) will also possibly being using scripts/tools that will off WikiPedia and I may even pre-process there prior to transwiki. I note the The primary discussion for this is currently on the AfD on Wikipedia. There is also notes by me on WikiProject Computing there. I now need to resume the search for my family member lower false teeth and pray they have not gone down the great white phone to God. Thankyou.Djm-leighpark (discusscontribs) 06:25, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

@Djm-leighpark, QuiteUnusual: I would agree it doesn't belong in the Unicode book. It seems likely they should eventually be integrated into an EBCDIC book. Note that some materials imported to Wikibooks have waited for years before eventually being integrated into a book here. --Pi zero (discusscontribs) 12:04, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
Note that should the AfD for EBCDIC be determined as Transwiki to WikiBooks there are several other codepage sets that would follow the same route. I am generally minded these and EBCDIC (and possibly even Unicode) would be volumes within such a book. But these are thoughts currently.Djm-leighpark (discusscontribs) 13:59, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
@Djm-leighpark: For perspective, what sort of other codepage sets might be involved? --Pi zero (discusscontribs) 14:38, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
@Pi zero w:en:Template:Character encodings perhaps? Djm-leighpark (discusscontribs) 22:31, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
Just addressing one point above. I think it is very unlikely that you will find a collaborator or a mini-project here. Very few books ever have more than one author. You might have more luck finding current contributors to the subject area on Wikipedia and suggesting they come here rather than looking for existing Wikibooks editors. QuiteUnusual (discusscontribs) 21:28, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
I am really looking for an alternative, I have bigdelboy as a collaborator who will do heavy shift. I have put feelers out to the transwiki some of whom are vaguewave or dubious !voters at the AfD, but some would be supportive at present. I have also left a subsection at WikiProject Computing talk. Of course I may be talking bluster and bluff, and I may have to drop out for RL, or I may simply be incapable of doing it. My !vote is not to come here, should the !vote be to send it here then my requirement to form a Wikibook is to retain the source for limited period while a chance to form a Wikibook is made; if I am the only one prepare to try to stand up a WikiBook and no-one else is that surely carries some weight? Djm-leighpark (discusscontribs) 22:31, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

I may be incorrect but I'm not seeing the attribution history I'd expect in the above transwiki'd pages. I'm too tired to look into that further at present but I think it's a problem. Thankyou.Bigdelboy (discusscontribs) 22:07, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

@QuiteUnusual: Thankyou for transwiking the above pages. However if any attempt is made to use them I think I see a problem as only one version for each has been used and there is a loss of attribution which I believe gives a license problem, with only you and Barkeep49 being mentioned on the history, but not the original content providers. One solution would be histmerge, another a re-transwiki. The issue only really emerges when the the originals are deleted. Or am I missing something (quire possible)? Thankyou. Bigdelboy (discusscontribs) 10:06, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

@Bigdelboy: hello, it shouldn't a problem. The Mediawiki software did not allow the full revision history to be transwikied as the collective size was too large. However, it is possible to reverse to the attribution via the import log, which contains the timestamp, back to the original. You can re-import them if you want with the full history, but there's no way of doing it in bulk so you'd have to do them one at a time. Alternatively, you can add a null edit with a permalink to the original source, or do the same on the Talk page. All are valid ways of maintaining the attribution even if the original is deleted. QuiteUnusual (discusscontribs) 08:38, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
@QuiteUnusual:: Thankyou for your response. I remain very concerned attribution will be broken hen the originals are delete. I see the equivalent on English Wikipedia of the need to leave a merge-to template indicating a redirect should not be deleted to maintain attribution history. While a histmerge or loading the old page as a subpage to the article history is possible if the original contributors are not publicly acknowledge I believe there is a problem ... but I need to seek independent advice. A further problem with not having the history is investigations of copy violations versus imaging wiki's which can require admins. This arises for me once every 6 months. So for that reason alone I'd pragmatically probably plump for the re-transwiki (when the time is right) but its a right pain in the butt. It would help if I drank but I dont. Thanks. And thankyou for the single version tranwiki as I have at least been able to see the effects of the support templates.23:30, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
I am also concerned that the original attribution history has not yet been imported. I should not be the "original" author for these pages. @QuiteUnusual, Pi zero, Bigdelboy: is there something you need to happen on the enwiki side to get the attribution history? If so I would be happy to do it (or prod someone who can). If not, would it be possible to get that done? While there is no rush to get the wikibooks published, having so many pages which have been determined to be out of scope lingering around on enwiki is not great. Best, Barkeep49 (discusscontribs) 15:53, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
@Barkeep49: Thankyou for understanding my concerns on attribution. Correct attribution principle of WikiPedia and the rights of people contributing to English Wikipedia need to be to the standards developed there. There are I believe techniques for adding the attributions via comments, talk pages and talk subpages that meet attribution requirements (and histmerge or equivalent). But I'd always prefer a full history because of possible copyvio disputes of who wrote what first. If I'm on board with the project I'll import them one by one when I'm ready if I have to; which is after I have the automation procedure set up. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (discusscontribs) 16:30, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
@Barkeep49: The transwikied code pages have now been deleted from the English WikiPedia so to my best understanding the content pages as it stands are no longer properly publicly visually properly attributed whatsover. Thankyou. Bigdelboy (discusscontribs) 18:22, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Character encodings support templatesEdit

Be pleased import character encodings support templates, list derived from w:Category:Character set table templates. Thankyou. Bigdelboy (discusscontribs) 21:56, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Please note I have now been granted the importer privilege so should be able to do this myself, though there may be a slight delay as I am a tad RL busy currrently and can't automate this currently, but the speed I proceed at is under my own control. Thankyou.Bigdelboy (discusscontribs) 17:04, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
I've (hopefully) transwiki'd Transwiki:Chset-color-ctrl-var successfully, the history attribution looks good. The success compared my transwiki failure of EBCDIC in the section below is I suspect is likely due to small page and history (and perhaps because the Americans are mostly tucked up in bed with quieter app servers). (Thought? Reminder to self, what about the /doc subpage?). This needs more of its compatriots. I need to review this and perhaps bring a few more over one by one. There will be a gap as I am maxed most of working day at least; maybe I longer gap as I think slowiy. Thankyou.Bigdelboy (discusscontribs) 07:38, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
As well as the Template page I note there is also a /DOC page to deal with as well as exceptionally the possibility of a non-null talk/discussion page. The order I plan to follow for each template is: (1) Import Template to transwiki: (2) Import /DOC to transwiki; (3) Move Template then /DOC from Transwiki: to Template: (4) move talk page. I'm likely to do all (1) before doing all but a pilot number of (2). I'm currently expecting this to be done "manually" one by one through the import screen. Thankyou. 13:09, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
I've imported all the templates above, I got interuptted near the end and there's a couple to re-check and I lost the comments on a couple. I will be looking at the /doc next before standing these up in Template: space; but I will be taking a breather first and running one or two through as pilots. Thankyou. Bigdelboy (discusscontribs) 16:28, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

I have imported documentation for Transwiki:Chset-color-ctrl-var to Transwiki:Chset-color-ctrl-var/doc (by importing the wikipedia /doc file as a subpage). I will pause and review the results and have the intention to at some point proceed by moving Chset-color-ctrl-var and its documentation to template space or by importing documentation for further templates to transwiki space, or perhaps both. Thankyou. Bigdelboy (discusscontribs) 11:31, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

I've just imported /doc for all the templates above to Transwiki: subpages noting a possible issue on Transwiki:Chset-legend not have a /doc (to be checked); possible error on Transwiki:Chset-tableformat (/doc) and additionally importing to Transwiki:Chset-table-header/family-doc (/family-doc). I also thought I noted a missing "???-unified" template at some point but I need to check all this out with a clear mind and in a separate section). Thankyou. Bigdelboy (discusscontribs) 22:48, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
  • The above 3 and their /doc seem to have been missed from the set and I've now transwikied them. (It's a little quicker as I'm more familiar with the Special:Import page and how I can reuse it with care to sequentially import similar imports watching the result as I go). I next expect to move these templates and /doc etc to Template: space in batches; Chset-table* likely first and rest in order apart possible from the *misc* and the "Legend inline" out of sequence; with subpages being moved immediately after parent. That's my current plan. Bigdelboy (discusscontribs) 10:18, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
  • Transwiki:Chset-cell-unified was found to be missing and I transwikied that and moved it to Template: space. I also now note I have yet more support templates to transwiki so I'm taking a breather to look at that and before resuming moves from Transwiki to Template space; I've done the first three on the main list so far. Thankyou. Bigdelboy (discusscontribs) 11:16, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

I've identified the above as missed and I'll transwiki with /doc and move to Template: space one by one next over some period ... they'll go red to blue as they happen. Hopefully thats it (and I've not erred) ... touch wood. Thankyou. Bigdelboy (discusscontribs)

I really don't like w:Template:Smallcaps/styles.css which is referenced by Template:Smallcaps2 (and its /doc) but not Template:Smallcaps. I have been very very tempted to locate it under Smallcaps2 with associated edits to suit but in the end I'm going to place under Smallcaps per WP. Will transfer it here as styles.css: Bigdelboy (discusscontribs) 18:36, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

To confirm this has been placed at Template:Smallcaps:styles.css and as far as I can tell required Code table support templates are now functional, at least for Code page 875. So these templates are possibly   Done though there's possibly things to come out of the woodwork. There's a deal of checking to be done yet though .... Bigdelboy (discusscontribs) 19:02, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Missing Character encodings support templatesEdit

Per W:User talk:Djm-leighpark#EBCDIC transwiki to WikiBooks problems:

Bigdelboy (discusscontribs) 21:07, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Specifically requested template has been installed to template space including /doc & styles.css but there are possibly pigs ear of dependencies. See for example: Transwiki:EBCDIC 037. Bigdelboy (discusscontribs) 21:27, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

One question about the Character encodings importEdit

Why are the Unicode hexadecimal (and decimal on pages that have it) values not displaying on the pages? Everything else is displaying. Alexlatham96 (discusscontribs) 23:08, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

@Alexlatham96: The problem is there are addition templates that need to be provided, usually bu transwiki'ing from WikiPedia and installing to template space including any required subpages. It is first necessary to identify the missing templates, though sometimes these there will be recursive. On my previous efforts I simply took a brute-force to resolving this, though there may be a more prescriptive approach via page information/page properties, that may even run the pig's ear rather than a level one, actually it can't run the pig's ear it can one do a level lone. There may also be issues relating to de-wikification. If you identify specific templates for import here on Wikibooks:Requests for import an admin/account with importer will likely help with the transwiki import but someone will also need to install the templates to template space. going direct import to Template space may be possible but could be awkward if something went wrong. Thankyou. Bigdelboy (discusscontribs) 21:39, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
Part of the issue is I had previously failed to transwiki and install the Control code link/alias subpage, I have now down this and it has resulted in some improvement in my opinion. The Last Word Template including relevant subpages certainly remains to be done - there may be more .... Bigdelboy (discusscontribs) 14:47, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
Template:First word remains to be done, possibly more...Alexlatham96 (discusscontribs) 21:13, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
@Alexlatham96: Template:Pipe done. Template:First word in progress (screwed up the /doc on first attempt). (Hmmm ... I might need Template:match as well) Thankyou. Bigdelboy (discusscontribs) 02:32, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

i think i need these pages imported...Edit

I think I need these pages imported. Is this where I ask for that? I am working on a book Culinary Arts and specifically on a page Knives to try to figure out how to do things. I expect 50% to 75% of the finished will be paragraphs taken from Wikipedia and edited to fit into the book. No complete articles will be used. Here are the wikipedia articles I have used/abused already:

I have added a link to wikipedia at the bottom of the page to refeference. Is that sufficient or do these pages need to be imported to wikibooks and I reference them here. I obviously do not want the entire article in the book. What would the appropriate reference look like. I have read lots of the help documents and do not find explicit instructions on this or at least anything that looks to me like instructions. I am a retired programmer so I understand that most docs are written with a certain amount of knowledge on the part of the reader. I apologize for my inadequacy. Can someone import these if necessary and point me to the right place to find the help info for this? Eddiem0710 (discusscontribs) 19:34, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi @Eddiem0710, I'm kind of new to this import stuff and I'm really ultra busy but if no one else helps or has concerns objects within 24/48h I might be willing to try help. Feel free to ping me after 3 or 4 days if nothing has happened and I see how my bandwidth is (might not be good). Actually re-reading this I am only able to specifically help if you have a very definitive list of pages to be imported. On re-reading this I think your asking to copy/paste content from wikipedia and how the required attribution needs to be given on the wikibook and possibly also on the Wikipedia article to note the copy has taken place. I think it is likely best to ask at Wikibooks:Reading room/Assistance. This is my best suggestion, but I am very new here myself. Best Regards. Bigdelboy (discusscontribs) 21:25, 28 August 2020 (UTC)


@@Bigdelboy: Thanks, but now that I’ve started doing a few pages I’m not so sure that was a good approach anyway. So much from Wikipedia would need to be edited it would be about as easy to do the research I need then write it myself. I would still give attribution where needed. I haven’t tried to learn how to do attributions yet but I suppose it is documented somewhere. Wikibooks documentation doesn’t seem to be conducive to browsing and searching is not obvious to me. I’m thinking for now I don’t actually need anything imported. Just the research and writing effort awaits me. —Eddiem0710 (discusscontribs) 02:56, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
@Eddiem0710: Do you still want them to be imported? Leaderboard (discusscontribs) 14:10, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
@@Leaderboard: No. Thanks. You can close this request. --Eddiem0710 (discusscontribs) 16:55, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

ImportEdit

@QuiteUnusual: Requesting the importatiin of these pages to their subsequent Transwiki namespace. I still have more requests but they are too many to type. I will bring in more. --Synoman Barris (discusscontribs) 16:18, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

I will do these for you now, but note that you can't import part of a page, so you will get all of Zimbabwe. Regarding the message on my talk page, you'll need to make the request at WB:RFP please - thanks. QuiteUnusual (discusscontribs) 14:09, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
The imports appear to have timed out. I'll need to look later (after work). QuiteUnusual (discusscontribs) 14:15, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
I have made the request at RFP. Thanks --Synoman Barris (discusscontribs) 14:53, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
@Synoman Barris: I have gotten several of these work, just now, with a fair amount of patience. Most of the attempts took a long time; two of them produced error messages claiming they'd failed but apparently had actually succeeded; some really did fail, and I haven't gotten Zimbabwe to work (though QU or I might try later). Importing is like that, in my experience; takes a lot of patience, and depends on who-knows-what. Sometimes trying again at a different time of day is useful. --Pi zero (discusscontribs) 15:44, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
@Pi zero: Thanks, let me Wikify these and add other requests. Best regards --Synoman Barris (discusscontribs) 15:53, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
Tried again with Zimbabwe; no joy. --Pi zero (discusscontribs) 20:01, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
Pi zero Thanks for trying, i guess I’ll have to go with the old style and give attribution. I am also able to import pages now, but i’m still learning more on the interface.Best regards --Synoman Barris (discusscontribs) 20:05, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
@Synoman Barris: One of the most basic principles of importing, as I recall, is never touch the "include all templates" option; it's a disaster waiting to happen. --Pi zero (discusscontribs) 20:12, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

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Pi zero What happens?--Synoman Barris (discusscontribs) 20:24, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

@Synoman Barris: I think it tries to import vast mountains of stuff. --Pi zero (discusscontribs) 20:36, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
@Synoman Barris:: it is described further in m:Help:Import ... I personally read it as almost inevitably it will have some bad side effects except in specialized situations when used by subject matter expert admins who are fully aware of its effects. If I used it I would expect my import privilege to be revoked by the admin clearing up the likely mess. Bigdelboy (discusscontribs) 09:14, 20 September 2020 (UTC)