User:Paddu/comments on Panic2k4

These are my comments that continue from Wikibooks talk:Arbitration/Panic2k4 vs. SBJohnny/Plaintiff Charges#Comments from User:Paddu. I'm leaving them here after Panic threatened to make that page messier. -- Paddu 21:11, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Just a few hours ago (yesterday, as per UTC+5:30) I found that Panic had pasted the content I contributed to Programming:C plus plus Variables and Expressions (since renamed to C++ Programming/Variables and Expressions and deleted—[1]) into C++ Programming/Variables without credit, instead of moving the page there. Now that the original page I contributed to is gone, there is a violation of my copyright under the GFDL since the page history showing my contribution is deleted and only available to admins. I have requested the deleting admin to undelete the page history and place a redirect to C++ Programming/Variables. -- Paddu 21:45, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

This is the copytight infringing edit (no reference to where the text was pasted from, and no credits)—[2]. -- Paddu 20:36, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

The following continues from my comments about Talk:Programming:C plus plus at Wikibooks talk:Arbitration/Panic2k4 vs. SBJohnny/Plaintiff Charges#Comments from User:Paddu:

I tried to again restore the talk page to its normal chronological format in [3], again making sure Panic's rearranged info. isn't lost (since I treated that as his comment and didn't change it — nobody is supposed to change anybody else's comment, at least in the English Wikipedia). In that edit I also responded to a few of Panic's comments (including one where he seems to be derisive of "the female group"). I came down from my stand and made it clear that I will archive some of the discussions into subpages in the next few edits [archiving into subpages, not commenting out using <!-- -->, is the correct way to archive talk pages, at least in the English Wikipedia].

I was quite furious in my response to calling the "common programming errors" proposal dead since I'd proposed it only a month ago and was very sure I was going to implement it. I would've, except that I left the project after the fork and negligible admin action to avert/revert it.

After this it looks like the history of Talk:C++ Programming/Archives/Archive1 is actually the combined history of what used to be originally Talk:Programming:C plus plus and Talk:Programming:C plus plus/archive1. Hence though I'll be giving diff-links for single edits to one of the original pages, there might be intermediate versions in the current page history which are actually versions of the other original page.

I created a new "archive1" page shown in [4] from some of the sections in Talk:Programming:C plus plus. [5] is the edit removing the archived sections — I also brought back some discussion that Panic had removed, and marked a few more sections for archival.

I created a new Talk:Programming:C plus plus/single page to archive the sections marked—[6] and removed those from the main talk page—[7]. Note the 2 sections marked "(continued)" in the diff—I was willing to discuss below Panic's P1/P2/etc. and put whatever he had enclosed in <!-- --> into subpages as archives.

[8] is the next edit to the "archive1" page, just to clarify. [The text is removed from the main page in [9].]

[10] is the next edit to the Talk:Programming:C plus plus/archive1 page, a minor formatting. These 2 versions are shown in [11] with 1 intermediate version of Talk:Programming:C plus plus but the diff. page says "(27 intermediate revisions not shown.)". Dunno what's up. -- Paddu 19:03, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Next edit to main talk page—[12]

Next archival—[13] and [14]—I thought it was better to have the discussions at one place instead of being split into "archive1" and the main page. May be I should have avoided this, so that all the P1/P2/etc. would have been on the main page and Panic might've been more satisfied.

I made a few more minor edits to the main talk page and then Panic had this to say—[15] and [16] (note the 3 hour deadline). My response was these edits—[17] and [18].

Now Panic came up with the fork—[19]. -- Paddu 19:33, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't have much time now so I'll give a shorter summary about other links I want to give

Dysprosia and I tried to oppose the fork but it was too late. Panic had forked an old version of the talk page too (without some of my replies, probably to make it look like as far as the forked book is concerned, his ideas are unopposed). I took the matter to the Staff Lounge but there was minimal response and no admin action to revert the fork in spite of Jimbo's mail about it. Ultimately I gave up and directed all edits to Panic's fork of the C++ book and his fork of the talk page. Here are some relevant edits: [20]

These are my edits to Panic's fork Talk:Programming: C -/- -/- (the space in front of 'C' might be a deliberate attempt to make sure not many would visit his fork so he can have his say, but I'm not sure about this) of the talk page complaining of forking the talk page without my replies: [21], [22] which were only reverted: [23], [24]. His edit summary says "moved", but it only looks like he removed those and never put them anywhere. The page says archived discussions were to be kept in Talk:Programming: C -/- -/- (Archive) (why should he come up with his own convention of naming archive pages), but he didn't add my comments to that page, currently at Talk:C++ Programming/Conventions/Archive1. I added some myself—[25] and [26].

[27] has my edits to the fork's talk page inviting people to the Staff's Lounge discussion and alerting people that some replies to the comments here aren't present in the page, and also some discussion about Panic allegedly pasting copyrighted content into the book. I recall that some portions of Panic's contributions were similar to some of the text in the English Wikipedia; I had complained about this too at the Staff Lounge. Panic moved the tag I added and gave an ultimatum of 7 days to remove the tag.

I restored the tag I added earlier but Panic kept reverting. He violated the 3-revert rule followed in the English Wikipedia. I didn't want to do that so I left the C++ wikibook—[28].

Here are some other links that I might talk about later, or that people can dig through:

http://tools.wikimedia.de/~interiot/cgi-bin/contribution_tree?namespace=3&user=Paddu&dbname=enwikibooks_p

http://tools.wikimedia.de/~interiot/cgi-bin/contribution_tree?namespace=4&article=Wikibooks%3ABook_of_the_month%2FSeptember_2005_voting&user=Paddu&dbname=enwikibooks_p

http://tools.wikimedia.de/~interiot/cgi-bin/contribution_tree?namespace=5&article=Wikibooks_talk%3AProgramming_languages_bookshelf&user=Paddu&dbname=enwikibooks_p

http://tools.wikimedia.de/~interiot/cgi-bin/contribution_tree?namespace=1&article=Talk%3AProgramming%3AC_plus_plus%2Fproposals&user=Paddu&dbname=enwikibooks_p

If possible, I'll add mappings between the old name for each page referred to in my links (possibly all other old names too) to the current one. Basically I want to document the moves undergone by these pages. -- Paddu 20:31, 7 January 2007 (UTC)